software: make sure you login as root
me: logs in as root
operating system: do not log in as root. log in as regular user.
operating system: logs me in anyway, despite this protest
me: [entertains moment of doubt]
me: [decides to trust the os]
me: logs in as me
me: follows instructions for extracting the tarball
me: types something like ./install -net
software: you do not have administrator access. this may cause problems with a network installation. proceed anyway?
me: [entertaining more momentary doubts]
me: clicks ok
software: does the installation
me: follows further instructions for further installing [at no time having any clue what i'm doing]
software: ok, i'm installed. where's your address book?
me: uh, mozilla right? why?
software: ok. i'm done.
me: uh, where are you now?
software: [hides]
me: finds thing to put shortcut to. it opens the word processor. fine.
where is everything else? *sigh*
I'm sorry, but reading the first few items up there caused this irresistible impulse..."for it's Root, root root for the..."
Never mind.
Georgia is in the southern US...
Verdana is in Hawai'i... At least I recall something like that there. No wait, that's verdant. Maybe Linkmeister can help!
Root's cool for installs and such, but I prefer the habit of running day to day stuff as me. ...and if you need root, open a terminal window and su to root, call your program or whatever from the command line and close the window when you are done.
hmm. but those are all self-extracting .exe files -- would that work in linux? and if i did extract the things, would i know where to put them?
and yeah, Dan, i did install all the stuff as me, because, well, i'm the only one that'll ever be using the machine anyway, and i didn't know anything abut that 'su' thing - so, well, it works, like it is.
Oh, installing as you is just fine. You'll be running as you and you don't want to be playing around as root regardless of how good your firewall is. Just good policy...
Self extracting exes? Hmmm... With installers? ...or just zipped?
If they're just archived, you could run them on the Windows box to extract them, then yank them across the network. The problem with an exe set is the OS calls it's going to make, and they aren't going to be able to hook to your kernal. I'm presuming you are speaking of the font files?
for that matter, i have the actual font files sitting on the other machine -- downloading executable zip files of them is just going to give me the same thing i already have, right?
anyway, it's a matter of, where would i put them? and are they supported? which i should probably be over at the boards asking, hmm?
Here's one maybe...
http://linux.org.mt/article/ttfonts
It's a year old.
...and this one was sitting on Whitenoise <g>:
http://www.linuxfocus.org/English/November2001/article116.shtml
First, ignore that stuff about root. root is your friend. Login as yourself when doing regular work, but for installs by software recommending root installs, feel free. Remember to backup. Backup is remarkable. It really frees you, allows you to explore... :-) Maybe a second hard drive is in order. I am sure you've already found the linux user groups and help websites, right?
ahhhh.... you have just lost your sysadmin virginity. you have done well! a handy way to find things (at least so you can invoke them from the command line) is:
find / -name name_of_file_or_program
this runs the program "find" from the root directory (/) down and looks for the name (-name) of the file or program you specify... you would do well to run this command as root. to temporarily be root and then automatically return to yourself, run the command thusly:
su -c find / -name name_of_file_or_program
you will be prompted for the root password, the command will execute as root and then drop you back to your "kd" user account.
just remember this: linux is only free if you don't value your time.
soy latte's sound terrific, kd. i'll look forward to it!
another useful linux tip: when you are really stuck and need help, log onto an irc network, go to #linux. make sure you have a very feminine and wanton sounding nick, something like "bambi69" or "biElizabeth". you will be amazed at how helpful the boys can be. i know i was dying of laughter and i got my questions answered.
Root .. Root .. ;-)
Scott that is soooooo Funny! ... haha I can't believe you did that !
ooo okay he's right it works I've done it too! LOL
Soy if my friend, Just aske me sometime about me and Soy :-)
Have a a fun time Bambi! haha
Tobey
Hawai'i could be called verdant, dan, but verdana? Well, verdana is apparently an it, not a place. It is, in fact, a golf shoe!
I just realized that my hard drive is gone and I will need to reinstall everything anyway, and it might be fun to try Linux, too. Although I'm nowhere near as savvy as you, kd...so I'm sure I will run screaming into the night by day 2.
I do, however, know a really nice boy who would be happy to help me, I'm sure. So, who knows...maybe I'll give it a shot.
I agree don't login as root. Login as yourself and su when you need to do rooty things. And don't fall for the 'rm -rf /' trick either. Also remember that RPM's are your friend, unless you're running Debian. hehe
i am picturing myself roaming the IRC channels as Bambi69 *snort* i'm so not a Bambi.
It gets better. But it will never be Windows.
The good things about Linux are VERY good:
1) You can get a program which is better than Photoshop for free.
2) You get to giggle as Microsoft prices itself out of reach of most people you know.
3) Nimba virus? Hmmm?? What's that?
4) No Mr Gates, I do NOT want to store all my financial, purchase and usage data on your computer.
The bad things are very bad.
1) Ctrl-c is cut. Ctrl-v is paste. How hard should that be?
2) Yes, there are 78 FREE email clients available. Only two work. Good luck finding those.
3) I'm sure compiling and installing from source is best, but do I really want to spend the next 48 hours pounding on that?
Personally I'm liking my Ximian Linux set up very much. If all you want to do is surf the web and use email, Linux is a great operating system. It's only when you decide to get geeky with the thing that the learning curve bites your ass.
Linux: "You want geeky. I'll show you geeky. "
After you extract the TrueType fonts on your Wintel box, move them over to your linux machine. The link below is a greatly simplified process of adding truetype fonts to your system. Happy hacking.
http://linux.org.mt/article/ttfonts
actually, in Lycoris, ctrl-c is copy, ctrl-x is cut, ctrl-v is paste, and ctrl-z is undo. very comforting.
and i'm using netscape seven, which has a lovely built in email client, even built-in IM.
this is like, grandma linux, really. except the installing stuff part, that's still confusing.
georgia's over HERE!! here i am! ::waving madly::
i AM georgia. when i'm not ratty, that is... LOL!
and you have a lovely, beautiful font named after you. the 'building' skin has georgia for its main font (the font the posts and comments are in).
i'm seeing it in arial. ugh. arial.
All Netscapes have built in email, newsgroups, IM and html editor don't they?
yes, it has the Netscape AIM client, Netscape Composer, email, the whole nine yards -- it's pretty swank. and the Linux version doesn't seem to come loaded down with all the funky crap they push on you in the windows version -- it's quite lovely.
i miss colored scrollbars though. *sigh* and i still haven't found verdana and georgia.
oh! it actually put itself in that 'go' menu place.
nevermind.
i'm still convinced i did this all wrong. i still miss having some idea what i'm doing.
kd, i'm not sure if Lycoris has TrueType font support enabled. If it does, you can get verdana and georgia fonts from here: http://www.microsoft.com/typography/fontpack/default.htm