Comments on: you just never know http://dotlizard.com/posts/2002/08/you-just-never-know/ here we are, trapped in the amber of the moment. there is no why. Sat, 03 Dec 2011 17:55:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: C.C. http://dotlizard.com/posts/2002/08/you-just-never-know/comment-page-1/#comment-42 C.C. Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:53:50 +0000 http://dotlizard.com/wp/2002/08/you-just-never-know/#comment-42 holy shit..... holy shit…..

]]> By: z.hendirez http://dotlizard.com/posts/2002/08/you-just-never-know/comment-page-1/#comment-41 z.hendirez Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:42:37 +0000 http://dotlizard.com/wp/2002/08/you-just-never-know/#comment-41 In my job, I've probably seen more death than anyone I know. It's strange how after the first one or two, you end up detaching it from real life. You feel that you should feel something, but instead you just wonder what's taking the coroner so long, where you're going for lunch, what you'll do after work. If I didn't have this reaction, I would have had to give up my job years ago. But it also makes you feel just a little less human sometimes, even though you aren't. In my job, I’ve probably seen more death than anyone I know. It’s strange how after the first one or two, you end up detaching it from real life. You feel that you should feel something, but instead you just wonder what’s taking the coroner so long, where you’re going for lunch, what you’ll do after work. If I didn’t have this reaction, I would have had to give up my job years ago. But it also makes you feel just a little less human sometimes, even though you aren’t.

]]> By: robyn http://dotlizard.com/posts/2002/08/you-just-never-know/comment-page-1/#comment-40 robyn Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:45:59 +0000 http://dotlizard.com/wp/2002/08/you-just-never-know/#comment-40 I'm not sure if you were reading my blog then, but we had a neighbor four doors down commit suicide this spring by shooting himself and then burning the house to the ground. Like you, I blogged it as it was going on around us as well. There's just something about needing to talk, even when you don't know what to say, sometimes... Thinking of you! I’m not sure if you were reading my blog then, but we had a neighbor four doors down commit suicide this spring by shooting himself and then burning the house to the ground. Like you, I blogged it as it was going on around us as well. There’s just something about needing to talk, even when you don’t know what to say, sometimes… Thinking of you!

]]> By: Kymberlie R. McGuire http://dotlizard.com/posts/2002/08/you-just-never-know/comment-page-1/#comment-39 Kymberlie R. McGuire Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:41:21 +0000 http://dotlizard.com/wp/2002/08/you-just-never-know/#comment-39 I really have no idea what to say except I'm sorry and I hope that he found peace and that his family can too some day. Sending you good thoughts. I really have no idea what to say except I’m sorry and I hope that he found peace and that his family can too some day. Sending you good thoughts.

]]> By: Camille http://dotlizard.com/posts/2002/08/you-just-never-know/comment-page-1/#comment-38 Camille Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:11:11 +0000 http://dotlizard.com/wp/2002/08/you-just-never-know/#comment-38 oh wow. how odd it must have felt for you to know that this man was there that morning and gone a few hours later. i'm trying to put myself in your shoes, and i can only think that even if i didn't know him well, i would be deeply affected and terribly confused as to why he committed this irreversable act. i'm so sorry you have been faced with this. oh wow. how odd it must have felt for you to know that this man was there that morning and gone a few hours later. i’m trying to put myself in your shoes, and i can only think that even if i didn’t know him well, i would be deeply affected and terribly confused as to why he committed this irreversable act. i’m so sorry you have been faced with this.

]]> By: yadda http://dotlizard.com/posts/2002/08/you-just-never-know/comment-page-1/#comment-37 yadda Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:07:21 +0000 http://dotlizard.com/wp/2002/08/you-just-never-know/#comment-37 I'm so sorry to read about this KD. I hope his pain is over now. I’m so sorry to read about this KD. I hope his pain is over now.

]]> By: ratty http://dotlizard.com/posts/2002/08/you-just-never-know/comment-page-1/#comment-36 ratty Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:50:50 +0000 http://dotlizard.com/wp/2002/08/you-just-never-know/#comment-36 (((kd))) (((kd)))

]]> By: Kitty http://dotlizard.com/posts/2002/08/you-just-never-know/comment-page-1/#comment-35 Kitty Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:48:43 +0000 http://dotlizard.com/wp/2002/08/you-just-never-know/#comment-35 Sorry you went thru that kd. Glad that you talked about it. Dr. D - your comment yesterday kind of took me aback when you said "Awful. Why don't these people talk about their problems or seek assistance?" only because I thought you would understand the nature of suicide - possibly through your training or your rotation through psych. Then this morning, your post including "Too weak to deal with issues or perhaps too proud to talk and ask for help." I am not picking on you, and I suspect your intentions were not to talk about the "suicidal patient" but rather to commiserate with kd about how awful it must have been for her. I just had to clarify that the suicidal patient - at least what *I* am familiar with - has little regard for anyone else. It's themselves. It's being unable to talk to anyone about it because when one is so far down, their minds are made up. They are ill. It's a disease. Of course they have psychiatric problems. They are not of the same mind as those that sit and analyze the reasons one would do such a thing. Suicide is incomprehensible to anyone who has never experienced depression so deep that there really is no other solution than to leave it all behind. To put an end to the pain. Suicide is the only way. I speak as someone who has indeed experienced it. The last time (7 yrs ago) I truly died. I was in the trauma room and being resuscitated with CPR and pressors etc., while my husband was being asked if he wanted to donate any of my organs. But I made it. It wasn't my time to die. I am much, much better now. It's in my past. But not that far away that I don't remember how hopeless I felt, and how disturbed I really was. Sorry for the long post, but I just felt the need to clarify. It's not about the person being too weak or too proud to ask for help. It's just much deeper than that. xoxo Sorry you went thru that kd. Glad that you talked about it.

Dr. D – your comment yesterday kind of took me aback when you said “Awful. Why don’t these people talk about their problems or seek assistance?” only because I thought you would understand the nature of suicide – possibly through your training or your rotation through psych.

Then this morning, your post including “Too weak to deal with issues or perhaps too proud to talk and ask for help.”

I am not picking on you, and I suspect your intentions were not to talk about the “suicidal patient” but rather to commiserate with kd about how awful it must have been for her.

I just had to clarify that the suicidal patient – at least what *I* am familiar with – has little regard for anyone else. It’s themselves. It’s being unable to talk to anyone about it because when one is so far down, their minds are made up. They are ill. It’s a disease. Of course they have psychiatric problems. They are not of the same mind as those that sit and analyze the reasons one would do such a thing.

Suicide is incomprehensible to anyone who has never experienced depression so deep that there really is no other solution than to leave it all behind. To put an end to the pain. Suicide is the only way.

I speak as someone who has indeed experienced it. The last time (7 yrs ago) I truly died. I was in the trauma room and being resuscitated with CPR and pressors etc., while my husband was being asked if he wanted to donate any of my organs. But I made it. It wasn’t my time to die.

I am much, much better now. It’s in my past. But not that far away that I don’t remember how hopeless I felt, and how disturbed I really was.

Sorry for the long post, but I just felt the need to clarify. It’s not about the person being too weak or too proud to ask for help. It’s just much deeper than that.
xoxo

]]> By: say-say http://dotlizard.com/posts/2002/08/you-just-never-know/comment-page-1/#comment-34 say-say Tue, 13 Aug 2002 06:52:31 +0000 http://dotlizard.com/wp/2002/08/you-just-never-know/#comment-34 Damn. You know, for a person to really go and kill themself (with true intentions of doing so), they must have a lot of pain going on inside. It's really sad to think of how much he must have been dealing with to go to such an extreme. And as far as talking to someone goes - yuh right. There's only so much talking can do. People saying "It will get better," or "It will be okay" or "You don't have it that bad" - only makes a person feel worse. It's really sad. Terribly sad. Kitty said some good stuff. I agree. Damn. You know, for a person to really go and kill themself (with true intentions of doing so), they must have a lot of pain going on inside. It’s really sad to think of how much he must have been dealing with to go to such an extreme. And as far as talking to someone goes – yuh right. There’s only so much talking can do. People saying “It will get better,” or “It will be okay” or “You don’t have it that bad” – only makes a person feel worse.

It’s really sad. Terribly sad. Kitty said some good stuff. I agree.

]]> By: Dr. D. http://dotlizard.com/posts/2002/08/you-just-never-know/comment-page-1/#comment-33 Dr. D. Tue, 13 Aug 2002 06:04:01 +0000 http://dotlizard.com/wp/2002/08/you-just-never-know/#comment-33 Indeed it is kd, life, despite it's problems is VERY precious and so finite. Here this moment and gone the next. Note how the moment a person passes on, everything about them suddenly is reported in the past tense, "he was a good guy" etc. So unpredictable. I have always heard people say that folks who choose suicide are very strong. I believe that they are weak as well, many of them also have Psychiatric disease which is a big risk factor for suicide. Too weak to deal with issues or perhaps too proud to talk and ask for help. It is sad, sad, sad. I've siad this before and I'll say it again, I don't think that I could ever get to the point where I feel that I would take my own life. (we should never categorically say never, as life circumstances can really screw you sometimes.) I'm ready to listen, talk, dissuade, rescue, whatever needs to be done for anyone I know (or even a stranger) to stop them from picking this option, it is just a permanent end to problems that are often of a temporary nature. Enough of me and my 'post sized' comments. . Indeed it is kd, life, despite it’s problems is VERY precious and so finite. Here this moment and gone the next. Note how the moment a person passes on, everything about them suddenly is reported in the past tense, “he was a good guy” etc. So unpredictable. I have always heard people say that folks who choose suicide are very strong. I believe that they are weak as well, many of them also have Psychiatric disease which is a big risk factor for suicide. Too weak to deal with issues or perhaps too proud to talk and ask for help. It is sad, sad, sad. I’ve siad this before and I’ll say it again, I don’t think that I could ever get to the point where I feel that I would take my own life. (we should never categorically say never, as life circumstances can really screw you sometimes.) I’m ready to listen, talk, dissuade, rescue, whatever needs to be done for anyone I know (or even a stranger) to stop them from picking this option, it is just a permanent end to problems that are often of a temporary nature. Enough of me and my ‘post sized’ comments.
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