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		<title>By: kd</title>
		<link>http://dotlizard.com/posts/2003/01/against-my-better-judgement/comment-page-2/#comment-5571</link>
		<dc:creator>kd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jan 2003 12:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh -- and:

As you concede &quot;which suggests to me that it probably wasn&#039;t practical to attempt (and apparently fail) to make one event for everyone.&quot;. That&#039;s precisely the point. Being honest about that.

this is what i was saying in the first place, when i got hung up on. had anyone listened to me, they would have discovered i had a point. what i did not and will not agree to is the implication that there was wanton disregard for the feelings of others, when during the early phases of the planning (when the location was picked), all we did was discuss how to best fit this in with all the potentially conflicting schedules and travel issues. a daunting task if there ever was on. and remeber, at that point, all of the organizers were planning on going to vegas, there was even gleeful kidding around about road trips in convertibles.

trying and failing and learning from the past and concluding that more events = better, isn&#039;t something that&#039;s grounds for hollering at the people who were trying. that&#039;s what really hurt me -- we were honestly trying, with the best of intentions.  deciding on vegas was no more a slap in the face to eastcoasters as deciding to do it in august was a slap in the face of people busy in august. we were all just muddling through, none of us had ever tried to plan something as unruly as a blogger gathering. and the decision on location was made long before the rest of the conflicts came up. at the time it was decided, it was accepted.

we had decided by january. a year ago, that decision was decided. y&#039;all didn&#039;t get pissed off about it until the other conflicts, which is what happens when you are pissed and looking for other reasons to be pissed, you start digging up the past.

you know the really amazing part?  i only attended out of a sense of duty. it utterly surprised me that i had fun. and that act of attending in spite of the conflicts, resulted in a great deal of resolution to them. had i stayed away, that resolution would very likely still be eluding me.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh &#8212; and:</p>
<p>As you concede &#8220;which suggests to me that it probably wasn&#8217;t practical to attempt (and apparently fail) to make one event for everyone.&#8221;. That&#8217;s precisely the point. Being honest about that.</p>
<p>this is what i was saying in the first place, when i got hung up on. had anyone listened to me, they would have discovered i had a point. what i did not and will not agree to is the implication that there was wanton disregard for the feelings of others, when during the early phases of the planning (when the location was picked), all we did was discuss how to best fit this in with all the potentially conflicting schedules and travel issues. a daunting task if there ever was on. and remeber, at that point, all of the organizers were planning on going to vegas, there was even gleeful kidding around about road trips in convertibles.</p>
<p>trying and failing and learning from the past and concluding that more events = better, isn&#8217;t something that&#8217;s grounds for hollering at the people who were trying. that&#8217;s what really hurt me &#8212; we were honestly trying, with the best of intentions.  deciding on vegas was no more a slap in the face to eastcoasters as deciding to do it in august was a slap in the face of people busy in august. we were all just muddling through, none of us had ever tried to plan something as unruly as a blogger gathering. and the decision on location was made long before the rest of the conflicts came up. at the time it was decided, it was accepted.</p>
<p>we had decided by january. a year ago, that decision was decided. y&#8217;all didn&#8217;t get pissed off about it until the other conflicts, which is what happens when you are pissed and looking for other reasons to be pissed, you start digging up the past.</p>
<p>you know the really amazing part?  i only attended out of a sense of duty. it utterly surprised me that i had fun. and that act of attending in spite of the conflicts, resulted in a great deal of resolution to them. had i stayed away, that resolution would very likely still be eluding me.</p>
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		<title>By: kd</title>
		<link>http://dotlizard.com/posts/2003/01/against-my-better-judgement/comment-page-2/#comment-5570</link>
		<dc:creator>kd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jan 2003 11:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that would go against my newly found tolerance for anonymousness.

sometimes people need to be anonymous.

it&#039;s ok, everyone take a deep breath and calm down.

i personally am going to pop a foster&#039;s and watch some Zim VCDs.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that would go against my newly found tolerance for anonymousness.</p>
<p>sometimes people need to be anonymous.</p>
<p>it&#8217;s ok, everyone take a deep breath and calm down.</p>
<p>i personally am going to pop a foster&#8217;s and watch some Zim VCDs.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jan 2003 11:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>accuse others of fucking it up.
I don&#039;t recall anyone accusing anyone for &quot;fucking it up&quot; -- I believe the point was that the event was billed as for everyone but was not made practical for everyone and accordingly alienated or hurt some people.

As you concede &quot;which suggests to me that it probably wasn&#039;t practical to attempt (and apparently fail) to make one event for everyone.&quot;.  That&#039;s precisely the point.  Being honest about that.

I&#039;m not seeing anyone from the west coast clamouring to go to the Poconos.  Nor am I seeing any of the &quot;organizers&quot; expressing any desire to float the event around the country, as they can&#039;t or don&#039;t want to have to travel as far as that would take.  So it really shouldn&#039;t be that much  of a stretch to understand why feelings were hurt and people were unable to attend due to the location.

Post the IP and let&#039;s see who made the comment.

Oh yes, let&#039;s please start a lynch mob again, Jon.  Great idea.  Perhaps it&#039;s just a repeat performance of your little Matt stunt.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>accuse others of fucking it up.<br />
I don&#8217;t recall anyone accusing anyone for &#8220;fucking it up&#8221; &#8212; I believe the point was that the event was billed as for everyone but was not made practical for everyone and accordingly alienated or hurt some people.</p>
<p>As you concede &#8220;which suggests to me that it probably wasn&#8217;t practical to attempt (and apparently fail) to make one event for everyone.&#8221;.  That&#8217;s precisely the point.  Being honest about that.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not seeing anyone from the west coast clamouring to go to the Poconos.  Nor am I seeing any of the &#8220;organizers&#8221; expressing any desire to float the event around the country, as they can&#8217;t or don&#8217;t want to have to travel as far as that would take.  So it really shouldn&#8217;t be that much  of a stretch to understand why feelings were hurt and people were unable to attend due to the location.</p>
<p>Post the IP and let&#8217;s see who made the comment.</p>
<p>Oh yes, let&#8217;s please start a lynch mob again, Jon.  Great idea.  Perhaps it&#8217;s just a repeat performance of your little Matt stunt.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jan 2003 11:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Oh, that has to be Jon ...&quot;

This wasn&#039;t me.

The possibility of me being anonymous in kd&#039;s comments ever under any circumstances at any time is zero.

Find out who posted this so I may go over to their house and cause real trouble.

I am not happy. This isn&#039;t funny. If I find out who did it I will make them very unhappy.

Post the IP and let&#039;s see who made the comment.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Oh, that has to be Jon &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>This wasn&#8217;t me.</p>
<p>The possibility of me being anonymous in kd&#8217;s comments ever under any circumstances at any time is zero.</p>
<p>Find out who posted this so I may go over to their house and cause real trouble.</p>
<p>I am not happy. This isn&#8217;t funny. If I find out who did it I will make them very unhappy.</p>
<p>Post the IP and let&#8217;s see who made the comment.</p>
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		<title>By: batgrl</title>
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		<dc:creator>batgrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jan 2003 10:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh oh.
Well, obviously I didn&#039;t email Jon first, I just assumed....
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh oh.<br />
Well, obviously I didn&#8217;t email Jon first, I just assumed&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://dotlizard.com/posts/2003/01/against-my-better-judgement/comment-page-2/#comment-5566</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jan 2003 10:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Oh, that has to be Jon ...&quot;

This wasn&#039;t me.

The possibility of me being anonymous in kd&#039;s comments ever under any circumstances at any time is zero.

Find out who posted this so I may go over to their house and cause real trouble.

I am not happy. This isn&#039;t funny. If I find out who did it I will make them very unhappy.

Post the IP and let&#039;s see who made the comment.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Oh, that has to be Jon &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>This wasn&#8217;t me.</p>
<p>The possibility of me being anonymous in kd&#8217;s comments ever under any circumstances at any time is zero.</p>
<p>Find out who posted this so I may go over to their house and cause real trouble.</p>
<p>I am not happy. This isn&#8217;t funny. If I find out who did it I will make them very unhappy.</p>
<p>Post the IP and let&#8217;s see who made the comment.</p>
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		<title>By: batgrl</title>
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		<dc:creator>batgrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jan 2003 10:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and I don&#039;t mean to irritate anyone, or say that anyone else shouldn&#039;t be pissed about things if they want to be. I fully support everyone&#039;s right to be pissed.

Now I&#039;m restraining myself from putting my hands on my hips, shaking a finger at you all, and saying in my most bossy teacher voice:

&quot;Go play nice. If you didn&#039;t make it to the party - and it&#039;s not like you weren&#039;t ALL invited to the party - we&#039;re sorry about that. Go off and have other parties. Come to the next party wherever it is. Now here, have some chocolate, and try not to take things so very personally.&quot;

And I&#039;d like to add, this from someone who did indeed take some of the BlogCon hooha perhaps a bit too personally - and knows of several people who also had many hurt feelings over the whole thing as well. I&#039;m over that now. Took a while though. And that&#039;s as much as you&#039;ll ever hear me say publicly.

I really would hand out chocolate, you know.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and I don&#8217;t mean to irritate anyone, or say that anyone else shouldn&#8217;t be pissed about things if they want to be. I fully support everyone&#8217;s right to be pissed.</p>
<p>Now I&#8217;m restraining myself from putting my hands on my hips, shaking a finger at you all, and saying in my most bossy teacher voice:</p>
<p>&#8220;Go play nice. If you didn&#8217;t make it to the party &#8211; and it&#8217;s not like you weren&#8217;t ALL invited to the party &#8211; we&#8217;re sorry about that. Go off and have other parties. Come to the next party wherever it is. Now here, have some chocolate, and try not to take things so very personally.&#8221;</p>
<p>And I&#8217;d like to add, this from someone who did indeed take some of the BlogCon hooha perhaps a bit too personally &#8211; and knows of several people who also had many hurt feelings over the whole thing as well. I&#8217;m over that now. Took a while though. And that&#8217;s as much as you&#8217;ll ever hear me say publicly.</p>
<p>I really would hand out chocolate, you know.</p>
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		<title>By: batgrl</title>
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		<dc:creator>batgrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jan 2003 10:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon, you are in *such* trouble.

Ok, now you&#039;ve done it - now I have to say that you&#039;re all against us in the South. Do I note that we even consider anything like Dallas or Atlanta? Noooo? Oh sure, New Orleans, but that&#039;s a different planet.  And hey, what about the Midwest? Why not Kansas? It&#039;s in the middle of it all - but it&#039;s  unloved, that&#039;s what it is, you dont love us.

People, we&#039;re being silly here.
Why are we even bothering with the past on this? Does it even matter?

And I&#039;d like to add that I&#039;m speaking as one of the planners and one of the poeple who had feelings hurt numerous times on this whole deal. I did not let many people know about that. And you know what - the time and the place was a bit inconvienent for me. But guess what - I managed to go anyhow.

I&#039;m still my happy self and not minding about all this because that&#039;s way back in August. Plus I got to meet people and attend a fun wedding - and that was much more fun than I thought I&#039;d have.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon, you are in *such* trouble.</p>
<p>Ok, now you&#8217;ve done it &#8211; now I have to say that you&#8217;re all against us in the South. Do I note that we even consider anything like Dallas or Atlanta? Noooo? Oh sure, New Orleans, but that&#8217;s a different planet.  And hey, what about the Midwest? Why not Kansas? It&#8217;s in the middle of it all &#8211; but it&#8217;s  unloved, that&#8217;s what it is, you dont love us.</p>
<p>People, we&#8217;re being silly here.<br />
Why are we even bothering with the past on this? Does it even matter?</p>
<p>And I&#8217;d like to add that I&#8217;m speaking as one of the planners and one of the poeple who had feelings hurt numerous times on this whole deal. I did not let many people know about that. And you know what &#8211; the time and the place was a bit inconvienent for me. But guess what &#8211; I managed to go anyhow.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still my happy self and not minding about all this because that&#8217;s way back in August. Plus I got to meet people and attend a fun wedding &#8211; and that was much more fun than I thought I&#8217;d have.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jan 2003 09:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, that has to be Jon ...

kd, I think making the blogcon site a central web location for all events is a great idea! The main one could continue to be held in Vegas, which appears to be the preferred location of the voters (and as many have already said Vegas makes a great convention location for many reasons), and then others can be held throughout the US and perhaps even beyond, but by having them all listed on one page, it will show support and encouragement for the all of them rather than one. I hope that made sense ... ;-)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, that has to be Jon &#8230;</p>
<p>kd, I think making the blogcon site a central web location for all events is a great idea! The main one could continue to be held in Vegas, which appears to be the preferred location of the voters (and as many have already said Vegas makes a great convention location for many reasons), and then others can be held throughout the US and perhaps even beyond, but by having them all listed on one page, it will show support and encouragement for the all of them rather than one. I hope that made sense &#8230; <img src='http://dotlizard.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jan 2003 04:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had no idea anyone was actually hurt because of the way/place/time/whatever BlogCon was planned...

Of course you didn&#039;t know, while people&#039;s feelings were hurt, they didn&#039;t want to cause anyone to have a bad time, you know, being considerate.  And for other reasons, things I witnessed as one of the original planners of the event.  The only reason you know now is because KD decided to post a private telephone conversation on her blog about something that came up randomly and something I would have never said in public for the exact reason of consideration of others and because it was so over.  Apparently if you piss Switzerland off over something really stupid (as opposed to important), you lose your expectation that private conversations remain private.

This has gotten way out of hand.  I&#039;m disgusted by the whole thing.

-Faith, the anonymous poster.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had no idea anyone was actually hurt because of the way/place/time/whatever BlogCon was planned&#8230;</p>
<p>Of course you didn&#8217;t know, while people&#8217;s feelings were hurt, they didn&#8217;t want to cause anyone to have a bad time, you know, being considerate.  And for other reasons, things I witnessed as one of the original planners of the event.  The only reason you know now is because KD decided to post a private telephone conversation on her blog about something that came up randomly and something I would have never said in public for the exact reason of consideration of others and because it was so over.  Apparently if you piss Switzerland off over something really stupid (as opposed to important), you lose your expectation that private conversations remain private.</p>
<p>This has gotten way out of hand.  I&#8217;m disgusted by the whole thing.</p>
<p>-Faith, the anonymous poster.</p>
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